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2-Methoxymethyl-Salvinorin B - is a C(2) derivative of Salvinorin A. The added Methoxy and methyl groups not only make it 7-fold more potent than Salvinorin A, they also make it harder to breakdown and prolong duration. It has been shown to last 2-3 hours as compared to 10-20 minutes with Salvinorin A.
I can't decided whether this is mind blowingly awesome, or that they've created a monster. I mean, can you imagine being in Saliva space for 3 hours......? And I imagine the effects will be more intense as well, as is the case with methamphetamine compared to amphetamine.
Herkinorin - Another Salvinorin A analogue made from Salvinorin B, has been tweaked so that instead of binding to κ-opioid receptors it binds to μ-opioid receptors. It's said to be the the same strength as Fentanyl which is 81 times more potent than morphine. It's not orally effective like 2-Methoxymethyl-Salvinorin B and can either be taken sublingually, smoked, and maybe injected. Not too sure about that last one.
It causes similar effects to other strong opiates as well as respiratory depression which could be fatal. On the plus side, so far it has been demonstrated not to cause tolerance or dependence like other opiates do. So it could be a great alternative to treating chronic pain, etc.
There's also a C(4) derivative by the name of N-Methylamide-Salvinorin A that I'm trying to get info on. It may be even more potent than 2-Methoxymethyl-Salvinorin B.
What do you think about this? Is it madness, or do you think they may have potential, and could even be used as the psychedelics of the future???
I can't decided whether this is mind blowingly awesome, or that they've created a monster. I mean, can you imagine being in Saliva space for 3 hours......? And I imagine the effects will be more intense as well, as is the case with methamphetamine compared to amphetamine.
Herkinorin - Another Salvinorin A analogue made from Salvinorin B, has been tweaked so that instead of binding to κ-opioid receptors it binds to μ-opioid receptors. It's said to be the the same strength as Fentanyl which is 81 times more potent than morphine. It's not orally effective like 2-Methoxymethyl-Salvinorin B and can either be taken sublingually, smoked, and maybe injected. Not too sure about that last one.
It causes similar effects to other strong opiates as well as respiratory depression which could be fatal. On the plus side, so far it has been demonstrated not to cause tolerance or dependence like other opiates do. So it could be a great alternative to treating chronic pain, etc.
There's also a C(4) derivative by the name of N-Methylamide-Salvinorin A that I'm trying to get info on. It may be even more potent than 2-Methoxymethyl-Salvinorin B.
What do you think about this? Is it madness, or do you think they may have potential, and could even be used as the psychedelics of the future???
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Re: Salvinorin A analogues
Sat, May 24, 2008 - 6:49 AMWe have a head shop here in Charleston just down on Meeting Street: Factor V (5), they sale the 60x powder, and it I am waiting until I am spiritually strong enough etc to handle this...
I wonder, if one weren't strong enough, they might panic if they were stuck in salvia land.
My friends who have smoked salvia feel as if it is a good thing that it ends so soon...
Would need a real good sitter...
or a padded room with nice colors and maybe some good tunes...
Personally I think it sounds like the perfect device to travel with, and I don't mean driving...
Maybe if done in a group, with one sitter, this could be a phenomenal tool!
Imagine, 6 people in a circle, active and passive biofeed back tools, maybe just their voices (one doesn't need electronics but they could be powerful tools), a 7th guiding the sounds, and the airconditioning...
This could carry a congregation into the stars... If the pod they sit in were gravitationally isolated, the ions of the room aligned with ABCentauri, perhaps inside a giant tetrahednal mountain... A group of Tibetan chanters to push the rooms' sonic signature into the ultrasonic... The sonoluminescence would surely pop!
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Re: Salvinorin A analogues
Tue, May 27, 2008 - 1:30 AMYes it is madness but still.....grow salvia while you can. -
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Re: Salvinorin A analogues
Wed, May 28, 2008 - 4:54 PMThis is pretty darned interesting - thanks for pointing it out.
Here's an article:
jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/re...2v1.pdf
Unmodified salvinorin A is as potent or more so than fentanyl, being strongly active in the 500 ug - 1 g range.
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Re: Salvinorin A analogues
Thu, June 5, 2008 - 5:43 PMMaybe I am wrong in my assumption here, but it sounds like madness to me for one reason and one reason only - Salvia was given to us, the human race, as a gift. Why mess with its clearly natural intent. Remember how bad things can go when man intervenes and screws with nature. Can one be sure that the spirits on the other side would look kindly upon a human who messes with their natural, sacred gift?
I only bring these points up out of concern. I doubt one would want to get stuck in a breakthrough experience for 3 hrs, with no possibility of return, until Sally decides its time to return. Please be careful. Please be respectful - life is too beautiful to mess with death so exuberantly.
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Re: Salvinorin A analogues
Sun, June 8, 2008 - 5:29 AMSee...the thing is...
these plants, this body
these are not gifts.
These things just happen,
and are constantly changing.
We are here, right now, learning chemistry.
Combining, splicing, figuring out.
You could call this a gift too, if you want.
Our ability to rearrange.
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Re: Salvinorin A analogues
Sun, June 8, 2008 - 6:13 AMso is Crack...
So, I see both points...
If mother is smart enough to allow us the keys to destroy ourselves, then maybe we should be careful with these. -
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Re: Salvinorin A analogues
Sun, June 8, 2008 - 8:49 AMextremely careful!
my god,
you'll never find me messing around with any salvinorin A analogues.
D:
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Re: Salvinorin A analogues
Thu, July 3, 2008 - 3:12 AMYa, it is kind of like handing an 8 year old the car keys. It would be too dangerous, for he is not ready to drive for 8 more years.
In other words, how many of us are even ready for such an analog of savinorin A?
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Re: Salvinorin A analogues
Sun, July 27, 2008 - 2:01 PMWhat they should be doing is finding a salvinorin-a analogue that is less potent yet long lasting, that is orally active, and that still only requires really small dosages to be effective. Now THAT could be the next LSD. It might actually have it's own unique character that differs greatly from salvinorin-a, who knows? -
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Re: Salvinorin A analogues
Mon, July 28, 2008 - 9:53 AMit would save the plant much stress, and still be the gift of salvia........
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