There's a prominently featured article this AM. on Yahoo news about lawmakers' drive in Florida to have Salvia criminalized. It's full of the usual bullshit: "the new marijuana" according to lawmakers. There's a little bit of reality checking from Rick Doblin of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, who speaks to the fact that it's not a party drug.
Still, head on over to news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080...genic_plant
Sign in if you have a yahoo account and give it just 1 star to keep it off people's radar if possible. The slower Salvia comes to the mainstream the better. It's the people using it as a party drug and being stupid that are playing into the hands of stupid, narrow minded lawmakers. Stories like these always make those "teenagers" go "Whoa, the new marijuana? I gotta try this at the next party!"
Cheers and happy travels,
punx
Still, head on over to news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080...genic_plant
Sign in if you have a yahoo account and give it just 1 star to keep it off people's radar if possible. The slower Salvia comes to the mainstream the better. It's the people using it as a party drug and being stupid that are playing into the hands of stupid, narrow minded lawmakers. Stories like these always make those "teenagers" go "Whoa, the new marijuana? I gotta try this at the next party!"
Cheers and happy travels,
punx
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Re: Florida lawmakers on the march against Salvia
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 9:55 AMfigures that Florida would be on the forefront of this. One of the reason's I left the state where the "Drug war" started.
ap.google.com/article/ALe...xXAD8VB72D00
www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx
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Re: Florida lawmakers on the march against Salvia
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 10:20 AMAmerica has let tyranny expand, now it's harder to stop it.
Analysis Concludes Salvia is Not an Appropriate Candidate for Scheduling
www.cognitiveliberty.org/dll/s...t.html
click on the report to see:
In order to place S. divinorum or salvinorin A in Schedule I
of the Controlled Substances Act, three criteria must be
satisfied. The plant must be shown to have: (1) a high potential
for abuse; and (2) no currently accepted medical use in
treatment in the United States, and (3) a lack of accepted safety
for use undermedical supervision (21 U.S.C. Sec. 812(b)).
Because its abuse potential is low and its medical potential
significant, placement of S. divinorum or its active principle,
salvinorin A, in Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act is
unwarranted and inappropriate.
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Re: Florida lawmakers on the march against Salvia
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 1:32 PMYeah, right. All of those criteria are true for MDMA and the feds still scheduled it over many protests of doctors and researchers back in 1985. I believe it to be the one drug that actually mounted a campaign to change its scheduling, but it couldn't overcome it once scheduled. Salvia Divinorum has some research doctors checking into it. As it isn't an experience that it seems that most people like to repeat, I doubt if it'll ever gain popularity in the way MDMA or Marijuana have.
I agree it's no party drug, unless you like being laughed at. It's certainly a drug that won't be abused as it almost makes you not want to use it a third time. Kind of like an anti-addictive quality to it. You almost have to force yourself to use it and make plans about its use. Often times my solo use has had very introspective qualities to it and that can be very unpleasant for many people. Set and setting can have some effect. I have tried it in intimate settings. It went well enough, but we've not repeated it since trying it three different times.
It seems good for meditation after the initial wave has passed by. And that requires quiet. Quiet and partying don't go together. I tried some at an event sitting in my car away from people a week ago. I didn't particularly like the effect and was glad when it wore off. Until I think of something better to do with it, I'll just use it on occasion at home when alone and when it is quiet. -
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Re: Florida lawmakers on the march against Salvia
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 8:28 PMI just came across this article when I logged into AOL. MY, it sure shows the bias of some legislators. Five years! That's ridiculous! For Salvia Divinorum?! Maybe these people ought to try some theirselves and see how stupid they are. I guess it's back to the "tough on crime" and "save our kids" re-election crap, eh? -
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Re: Florida lawmakers on the march against Salvia
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 8:32 PMOh, and the media's bias is clearly on display too. Maybe the reporter ought to give it a try and do some hands on research while it is still legal? -
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Re: Florida lawmakers on the march against Salvia
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 8:32 PMAnd what about how Maine has chosen to regulate it?
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Re: Florida lawmakers on the march against Salvia
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 9:25 PMI spoke to Rick Doblin in person a few months ago about Salvia. He was at a fancy fundraiser in Houston, pushing to get MDMA approved for legal research in the US. I asked him why his organization doesn't fund more research on plants like Salvia that are currently legal instead of focusing on substances that are scheduled. He said that he didn't consider Salvia to be worth studying because the effects were so short lived. Now he tells the press that Salvia is a "minor drug in the world of psychedelics". That is kind of a puzzling attitude when you consider that Salvia divinorum is the most potent hallucinogen. I told him that I had heard many accounts that suggest that Salvia has been useful to some people for helping curb additiction. Because of the extreme effect of Salvia, I believe it can help people look at their life choices from a different perspective, much like ibogaine is used to treat addiction. Because the effect of Salvia is so short lived, it could potentially be even more useful to some people than ibogaine, where treatment can require a commitment of several days. Also, since it is legal in most of the US, treatments could be legally administered in this country. It is frustrating to me that Doblin has dismissed Salvia as being worthy of further research because he thinks it tastes bad, and it doesn't make people trip long enough. -
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Re: Florida lawmakers on the march against Salvia
Fri, March 14, 2008 - 12:33 AMI read the related article on MSN.com that stated the dissociative effects lasted A FULL HOUR!!. Thats some bad propaganda. Thats TWICE AS LONG as I've heard ingesting it ORALLY lasts!!--as opposed to the 10 minutes we all know smoking it lasts. I hope that the price doesnt double or triple for us, or worse!! now that its endangered.......ANYWAY....... -
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Re: Florida lawmakers on the march against Salvia
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 11:25 AMWell the prices are climbing, check out E-Bay. Anyway, by putting Salvia on the prohibited list, you create millions of dollars for the Feds/Dea, police ect. Its a scam to create revenue, its not about a public health concern at all. when Salvis is turned into a scheduled drug, the so called DEA/Feds ect ,get more and more money to help fight this "problem" , more jails are created, people are charged and jailed, forced to work for the corporations that run the jail as slave labour. And the ironic thing is, this is all funded by the publics tax dollars. The rich get richer, you know how the rest goes.
Marijuana is the perfect example, anyone that has ever tried it, or has a shred of inteligence knows that by using this wonderful plant, one should not be a criminal and put in jail. But marijuana is HUGE revenue for the FEDS, new helicopters, vehicles, weapons, ect are purchased at the expense of the tax payer to help fight this imagenary problem. Its one of the biggest scams on the planet.
What are we supposed to do? no one wants a crazy person with a gun to come and put them in jail! -
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Re: Florida lawmakers on the march against Salvia
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 7:29 PMSalvia prices are as low as or lower than they have ever been (check out any online retailer, ebay is no way to gauge Salvia prices). In the states where Salvia is scheduled (and it has been scheduled as a class 1 substance in some states for several years now), there are no underground Salvia dealing networks where people are making millions of dollars, and I have yet to even hear of a person getting arrested for Salvia possesion. The "man" doesn't stand to make any money off of scheduling Salvia, it is not the same as Marijuana scheduling at all, more like when they scheduled GHB or ketemine, lots of people were using those recreationally at the time they were scheduled, but now most people don't even know what they are.
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