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i have tried a few times to smoke just the dried leaves, and only got part of the way there (possibly because i'm not willing to hold any more smoke in my lungs than i already have). I have some issues with the use of extracts--i personally feel that it's an insult to the spirit of the plant to concentrate it and multiply its effects. So i would like to return to the traditional ways and ingest the leaves, once i get my hands on a plant. I was wondering if anyone out there could share some experiences with masticating and swallowing fresh leaves.
thanks,
m7
thanks,
m7
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Mon, June 23, 2008 - 2:26 PMdude.....crush up the leaves real fine, make some organic macaroni and cheese......and sprinkle the leaves in after you have finished mixing it all together......
it'll add the nicest spice to your meal, and you will get just the perfect effect for your evening.
so chill.....
so tasty too. i never would have imagined....but it is a member of the mint family.....
and it goes well with pepper lol......
i stayed away from the salt for mine.....but pepper yes.
or if you want....chew a quid....
bundle the leaves etc, and bite it......chew a lil, and put it between yoru lip and gums, or underneath the tongue......just squeeze it for all its worth, and let your mouth process the tastiness......do for half hour.....
up to 14 hours if you please......that would be most ideal/wonderful...
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Mon, June 23, 2008 - 4:13 PMThe Mazatec Say that She likes to be eaten wet, not dried and packed. Makes me fear smoking it as much, because I am being rude.. Come on bended knees... -
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Mon, June 23, 2008 - 4:16 PMprobably be tasty......
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Mon, June 23, 2008 - 5:30 PMcorrect me if Im wrong,
but did'nt the matatecs know how to smoke plant matter
but still chose to chew the leaves of SD.. ( ?? )
call me a copycat, but if true- then I would lean twards
this method, at least to get my "sally foot" wet...
I dont think they are very tasty from what I hear..
but there is whats called the "palletable" strain..
meaning that it would taste better.
and is it 6 pairs of 2 fresh leaves twisted that they used?
erowid has only the ballpark dosage guidelines
for dried leaves here, at bottom...
www.erowid.org/plants/sal...a_dose.shtm
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Mon, June 23, 2008 - 8:24 PMI use 14 leaves, fresh. twist them up like you would a cigar or joint, what have you. as you put this into your mouth, start to chew, chew this up really good. You dont have to swallow any of this plant material, just chew and swish the bitter tasting leaves around in your mouth, especially under your tounge.
After 15-20 minutes, spit this bitter mass out best you can, into a bowl or something.
Next [art is to sit very still, most prefered to have the lights not so bright.
If you move to much or laugh, you you scare the salvia spirit away.
just sit and let it enter the room you are in.
You will notice its spirit enter the objects in the room.
Once salvia is in and within you, then you can move your eyes around and body slowly and still hold the Salvia spirit with you.
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Tue, June 24, 2008 - 1:38 AMthis sounds so beautiful...
now the question of having a sitter, i would guess that the presence of someone there might distract you. But i read some stories of people's journeys and some of them did stuff that could have been dangerous. SO i understand why you'd want to have someone watching you, you know, so you don't walk out into the street naked & believing it's the Amazon river. I tend to prefer journeying all alone. So i am contemplating this while i wait for my plant to arrive. Thank you... -
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Tue, June 24, 2008 - 3:43 PMChewing is much less disorienting and gradual, though you can go very deep. I think the sitter is not necessary for chewing. -
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Tue, June 24, 2008 - 3:48 PMLess disorienting and much more gradual, to be clear. Also more prolonged trance, enough after about 40 minutes. Kind of like the difference between deep diving, holding on to a boulder cast overboard, vs. leisurely scuba diving for 40 minutes. -
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This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.Unsu...
Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Tue, June 24, 2008 - 9:18 PMyes, i wouls agree, that a sitter is not needed if you are chewing the leaves. Unless you really feel you need one, you should be fine. -
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Thu, July 3, 2008 - 3:06 AMQuiding the leaves in not as strong as the smoke, but it does last longer. Also, it can be easier to assimulate the experience. The same is true with SD tincture. However, the tincture burns the mucus membraenes, or at least gives that burning sensation. -
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Sat, August 23, 2008 - 1:42 PMI do not have a plant and wonder if it is possible to chew the 25x dried leaves? I tried a 1/2 gram of 5x with no effect. The first time time I tried to smoke 10x and because I'm not used to smoking only got a bit of it - yet I did experience some amazing 'journeying' which was much like a shamanic journey - transporting back to my childhood home I grew up in - and hearing a female voice telling me this was all ok. With the chewing I just felt a sense of calm without the major journey. But, even the trip only lasted 30 seconds or so because I really didn't inhale much. So, that is why I wonder if I chew the 25x (maybe 1/2 gram?) if the journey/hallucination effect might occur - or is it an altogether different experience?
I defininately felt when I was 'guided' to allow the spirit to take me on the journey that I had to consciously let go - give in - surrender to her....and I could move in and out of the experience briefly. My flatmate didn't believe me. But, my reasoning is that I have put up so many barriers in my life as to not let 'life live' freely...I am hoping that she/Salvia Div will help open that gateway.
Dreams and shamanic journeys over the past three years have said "Open your third eye, keep finding ways to further open your third eye" -
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Sat, August 30, 2008 - 1:45 PMso you hear the calling, that is good. The fact is, that this whole ability of inter demensional travel and conscious hallucinating, traverseing the realm of the lucid dream ect, have always been regarded as the path of the shaman, psycho-naut, ect. But the reality is, these demensions are where humanity as a whole are heading. It has just been the shamans who got there first.
The future of humanity is hyper space, escape from the realm of heat entropy. Its the jeweled citys promised of our mystics and artists. It sounds impossible to most people, mostly because they havnt had the vision, or dont have the capacity for it. But the fact is, the 3rd demension we find ourselves in 65% of our lives (we leave during sleep), is about to be realized for what its purpose is, and the spirit that is the driving force behind all life, is going to say thanks, see you later. And you and i being completey infused with this spirit, are along for the ride! -
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Sat, August 30, 2008 - 8:38 PMhow lei lui yah!
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Wed, September 3, 2008 - 4:39 PMNo one cares...Who wants a shitty drug? a bummer? Who wants a "maps"? Not I. -
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Wed, September 3, 2008 - 11:06 PMHuh?
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Thanks for the entertaining profile! I had several great laughs and still have tears in my eyes.
Good luck hacking into the Salvians' mainframe dimension spindle and fractal shear-node infodome, you'll need it.
Blessings, A.
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Tue, December 16, 2008 - 10:27 AMI've had very good luck and particularly profound experiences by chewing the leaves (dried when I had them, fresh when I had it growing outside my door) and then smoking a small amount as the "kicker."
I'm honestly not sure what that does the dosage, but it was what She recommended to me.
Since then I've tried to do it in that manner each time, usually in silent darkness, but sometimes observing something particularly beautiful in the world. -
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Sun, January 18, 2009 - 1:11 PMI tend to chew the leaves now rather than smoke. I seem to be getting more and more sensitive the more I take them - definitely a reverse-tolerance effect. Also, the leaves given up by my own plant seem way stronger, requiring only two or three little leaves for a mild effect, which now comes on in only five minutes!! Ten leaves are strong enough to enter me into that familiar yet exceedingly bizzare space. I am trying low doses every night to see how it affects my day to day life.....
PS: I wet the dried leaves in a bowl of water for ten mins before use.
DrSmith.
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Sun, February 1, 2009 - 3:31 PMI chew the leaves, wet or dry (if the leaves are dry, I take a sip of water after putting the leaves in my mouth). I tilt my head or lean back, and let the juice run back behind my tongue for better absorption of the salvinorin. Then I swallow the juices, bit by bit. If the leaves are dry, I do not pre-soak them in water; since much of the salvinorin is contained in structures on the exterior of the leaves, a lot of salvinorin will drop off into the water if the leaves are soaked. Learned this through trial and error.
I agree that a sitter is not needed for quidding leaves, even though it is possible to go very deep. The good thing about quidding is that it is much less of a shock than smoking, with corresponding reduction in fear factor, and oral consumption lasts longer. I usually keep some extra leaves close at hand when I am quidding, so that I can keep the session going as long as needed.
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Fri, March 13, 2009 - 9:09 AMHello
you can chew the salvia this is the way how Mazatecs use but you must to chew a lot the other way they use is mixed in a bowl mixed by hand are some 60 fresh leaves mixed in water by hand and drink the water
if you have any doubt about my comment please visit me at www.aztecasplants.com
saludos
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Fri, March 13, 2009 - 9:53 AMcan you put the extract in your mouth? under toung? -
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Sat, March 14, 2009 - 2:20 PMThe simple, traditional, and direct method. what some call a green taco of about a dozen good sized fresh leaves works best chewed gradually as a cud, works best IMO; second best is sublingual extract, carefully administered to determine quantity by experiment.
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Wed, March 18, 2009 - 12:40 PMi tried dry leaves in hot water..
this did not work
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Wed, March 18, 2009 - 5:39 PMI think that the active Salinorums are not water soluble, so a water extract or tea will probally not work if you strain the leaves. Its like marijuana, the crystal grows on the outside of the leaf. You need an alcohol or something similar to disolve the crystal. -
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Thu, March 19, 2009 - 8:56 AMso making a "tea" by soaking the leaves in, say, vodka or everclear, would work? -
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 6:51 PMI made a cold brew tea... it had an effect on me. different than, and yet reminiscent to low level of extract smoked. I had nice dreams.
This was done by pouring cold water on the extract, and letting it soak all day. then drinking it. -
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Mon, August 10, 2009 - 7:04 AMI'll have to try that... low dose before bedtime would be interesting!
I *did* put some in a glass of whiskey and let it soak for half the day. strained the leaves out and drank. I don't think my dosage was that high, but I did feel something that last 10-15 min. But it was definitely very weak... not half as intense as smoking. I might try it again someday...
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Wed, May 6, 2009 - 2:16 AMYes i did, i actually bought a flavored salvia from a online shop after which i stumbled on another site then changed my mind and both salvia extracts from ww.potentsalvia.com which is not a flavored one, then i chewed it.. and it gave me whole pleasure. -
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Re: has anyone here chewed the leaves
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 10:40 AMSalvia divinorum is not erthroxylum coca, and erythroxylum coca is not salvia divinorum. They never were the same, never ARE the same, NOR will ever be the same. Some people have issues with how you are marketing your product. Quit wasting your money on salvia divinorum "vendors". This is NOT a game of GOTCHA!.
But, in case you were wondering. I have chewed the leaves of Salvia, and it's no where close to the way you or others describe it as "pleasurable". What you describe reminds me more of when I traveled to Peru and chewed coca leaves. Legally. Outside of the U.S. Don't fool yourself, and don't fool others. To all whom it may concern. If it doesn't concern you, then this is not applicable. Define it yourself.
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